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Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
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Jan 28, 2009 1:11 PM
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Minimum requirements:
1) Support Newsreaders without sending us unformatted garbage
2) Support HTML users so messages are properly formatted.
3) Protect privacy of posters and screen spammers.
The current Websidestory mess that passes for html is garbage. It doesn't
even properly format breaks. When viewing the source of thread posts, only
10% of the message is what the user wrote. All of that message is crammed
between two codes with improperly coded break lines ie.
This means that if a newsreader attempts to look at the webpage in html
form, it still looks like garbage.
Can we return to a simpler and more legible posting format that respects
both HTML formatting codes and basic LISP and VBA coding forms?
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 3:01 PM
in response to: Doug Broad
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Clearly "answer points" and fancy wiz-bang features are far
more important in a discussion forum than thread readability.
I suspect we are stuck with this regardless of disfunctionality.
"Doug Broad" wrote in message
news:6113186@discussion.autodesk.com...
Minimum requirements:
1) Support Newsreaders without sending us unformatted garbage
2) Support HTML users so messages are properly formatted.
3) Protect privacy of posters and screen spammers.
The current Websidestory mess that passes for html is garbage. It doesn't
even properly format breaks. When viewing the source of thread posts, only
10% of the message is what the user wrote. All of that message is crammed
between two codes with improperly coded break lines ie.
This means that if a newsreader attempts to look at the webpage in html
form, it still looks like garbage.
Can we return to a simpler and more legible posting format that respects
both HTML formatting codes and basic LISP and VBA coding forms?
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 3:15 PM
in response to: Jason Piercey
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Jason Piercey wrote: Clearly "answer points" and fancy wiz-bang features are far
more important in a discussion forum than thread readability.
I suspect we are stuck with this regardless of disfunctionality.
Guys - I use Thunderbird for all newsgroups, including these. I format all code as Courier and send the message as |
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cancel
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 3:16 PM
in response to: Bill Gilliss
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This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 3:24 PM
in response to: Jason Piercey
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Jason Piercey wrote:
Clearly "answer points" and fancy wiz-bang features are far
more important in a discussion forum than thread readability.
I suspect we are stuck with this regardless of disfunctionality.
While we wait... I use Thunderbird for all newsgroup reading and posting, formatting in-line code as Courierand posting with the "Send in Plain Text and HTML" option. Seems to read okay with all viewers and browsers, with all intended line breaks: (defun c:helloworld
()
(princ "Hello, world!")
(princ)
)
And somehow life goes on, even without answer points. -Bill |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 4:12 PM
in response to: Bill Gilliss
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What about those who post via a web browser? Perfect
example of unformatted code can be found in the thread
titled "I need the help of someone good with VLA"
Even my quote back of your reply has extra characters
shown at the hard returns.
"Bill Gilliss" wrote in message
news:6113299@discussion.autodesk.com...
I use Thunderbird for all newsgroup reading and posting, formatting in-line
code as Courier and posting with the "Send in Plain Text and HTML" option.
Seems to read okay with all viewers and browsers, with all intended line
breaks:
(defun c:helloworld ()
 (princ "Hello, world!")
 (princ)
)
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 4:17 PM
in response to: Bill Gilliss
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Hi, I use Outlook Express and it supports both HTML and
plain text. I really don't know how the others see my posting, but I am
OK. This doesn't mean that this situation
here is not as absurd as it may be. Just a reminder, beyond the meaninglessness of a forum where the code is
rendered as unformatted junk and trash, there is the illogicality, the irationality and the nonsense
of not accepting the LSP files as attachments. Now, how crazy is that ?
Jason Piercey wrote: Clearly "answer points" and fancy wiz-bang features are far
more important in a discussion forum than thread readability.
I suspect we are stuck with this regardless of disfunctionality.
While we wait... I use Thunderbird for all newsgroup reading and posting, formatting in-line code as Courier and posting with the "Send in Plain Text and HTML" option. Seems to read okay with all viewers and browsers, with all intended line breaks: (defun c:helloworld ()
(princ
"Hello, world!")
(princ)
)
And somehow life goes on, even without answer points. -Bill
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 4:26 PM
in response to: Some Buddy
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Thanks guys.
Those posting with OE experience no problems with maintaining line breaks
and
formatting. Those posting with the web have horrible code formatting. It
is possible
that discussion admin recommendations for {code} and {/code} markers can
make
code more readable to the rest of us but those coming here wanting help
can't be
expected to remember something that arcane about formatting. So the webside
editor should respect line breaks in the original post.
Bill. I have noticed that your posts have some strange characters for each
line break.
It could be that either Thunderbird or Europe is using a different font set
(perhaps unicode
vs ascii). It's not nearly as bad as the unformatted code in posts like "I
need help..."
Regards,
Doug
"Some Buddy" wrote in message
news:6113345@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi,
I use Outlook Express and it supports both HTML and plain text. I really
don't know how the others see my posting, but I am OK.
This doesn't mean that this situation here is not as absurd as it may be.
Just a reminder, beyond the meaninglessness of a forum where the code is
rendered as unformatted junk and trash, there is the illogicality, the
irationality and the nonsense of not accepting the LSP files as attachments.
Now, how crazy is that ?
"Bill Gilliss" a écrit dans le message de news:
6113299@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jason Piercey wrote:
Clearly "answer points" and fancy wiz-bang features are far
more important in a discussion forum than thread readability.
I suspect we are stuck with this regardless of disfunctionality.
While we wait...
I use Thunderbird for all newsgroup reading and posting, formatting
in-line code as Courier and posting with the "Send in Plain Text and HTML"
option. Seems to read okay with all viewers and browsers, with all intended
line breaks:
(defun c:helloworld ()
(princ "Hello, world!")
(princ)
)
And somehow life goes on, even without answer points.
-Bill
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 5:46 PM
in response to: owenwengerd
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That is a mighty nice offer, Owen. Surely hope that Autodesk takes it seriously. wrote in message news:6113446@discussion.autodesk.com... I'm fed up with Autodesk's failure to fix the formatting problems, so I've offered to do it for them: http://otb.manusoft.com/2009/01/autodesk-discussion-group-facelift.htm -- Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 6:08 PM
in response to: owenwengerd
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We have a saying, something like "The itching goat
uprises the tail even harder." Hop it makes
sense for all of you and I think that the corporative pride
will prevail in the face of the common sense (which everybody
knows it's not so common:)
I'm
fed up with Autodesk's failure to fix the formatting problems, so I've offered
to do it for them:
http://otb.manusoft.com/2009/01/autodesk-discussion-group-facelift.htm -- Owen
Wengerd President, ManuSoft VP Americas, CADLock, Inc.
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 7:00 PM
in response to: Some Buddy
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OK, maybe this is more like "The itching goat
uprises the tail even higher" ;^)
We have a saying, something like "The itching
goat uprises the tail even harder." Hop it
makes sense for all of you and I think that the corporative pride
will prevail in the face of the common sense (which everybody
knows it's not so common:)
I'm
fed up with Autodesk's failure to fix the formatting problems, so I've
offered to do it for them:
http://otb.manusoft.com/2009/01/autodesk-discussion-group-facelift.htm --
Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft VP Americas,
CADLock, Inc.
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 8:14 PM
in response to: Some Buddy
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OK, maybe this is more like "The itching goat uprises
the tail even higher" ;^) In more idomatic English: "The itchy goat raises his tail even higher." I've never heard that one. The closest saying I can think of offhand is "cutting off the nose to spite the face". :) -- Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft < http://www.manusoft.com> VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. < http://www.cadlock.com> |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 8:30 PM
in response to: Owen Wengerd
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Hi Owen, Thanks for the right translation, english is not my first language and I've tryied a very basic translation, but if you got the message of it, it means I wasn't far :) And since I have you here, on line, could you please tell if OpenDCL would be 100% compatible with french version of AutoCAD ? I would like to start using it, but I work in an french environment and most of our software, including varies releases and flavors of AutoCAD is in french, so I was wondering if this would be without risks. Thanks in advance "Owen Wengerd" a écrit dans le message de news: 6113588@discussion.autodesk.com... OK, maybe this is more like "The itching goat uprises
the tail even higher" ;^) In more idomatic English: "The itchy goat raises his tail even higher." I've never heard that one. The closest saying I can think of offhand is "cutting off the nose to spite the face". :) -- Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft < http://www.manusoft.com> VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. < http://www.cadlock.com> |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 10:22 PM
in response to: Some Buddy
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... could you please tell if OpenDCL would be 100% compatible
with french version of AutoCAD ? OpenDCL will work fine in a French AutoCAD. There is even a French language version of the runtime (Studio is not yet localized for French). :) -- Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft < http://www.manusoft.com> VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. < http://www.cadlock.com> |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
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Jan 28, 2009 6:28 PM
in response to: owenwengerd
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Thanks Owen and "Amen". wrote in message news:6113446@discussion.autodesk.com... I'm fed up with Autodesk's failure to fix the formatting problems, so I've offered to do it for them: http://otb.manusoft.com/2009/01/autodesk-discussion-group-facelift.htm -- Owen Wengerd President, ManuSoft VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 7:12 PM
in response to: owenwengerd
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Owen - I'm offering to donate my time Now we know why you are starving..:) Bless you, and "amen." :) |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 7:18 PM
in response to: Doug Broad
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Minimum requirements:
1) Support Newsreaders without sending us unformatted garbage
2) Support HTML users so messages are properly formatted.
3) Protect privacy of posters and screen spammers. 4) Allow attachments of *.lsp files in a discussion group which is intended to support LISP programming. |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 8:18 PM
in response to: Herman Mayfarth
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Why not *.dwg, since LISP is supposed to work inside drawings (except maybe for the named VLX spaces) "Herman Mayfarth" a écrit dans le message de news: 6113556@discussion.autodesk.com... Minimum requirements:
1) Support Newsreaders without sending us unformatted garbage
2) Support HTML users so messages are properly formatted.
3) Protect privacy of posters and screen spammers. 4) Allow attachments of *.lsp files in a discussion group which is intended to support LISP programming. |
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 8:39 PM
in response to: Herman Mayfarth
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Hi, On the file side: Allow lisp files Limit files in the main Newsgroup pages to 100k Allow file up to 10Mb in the Customer files newsgroup Preclude the bloated BMP files Unfortunately, as I've said many times the failure of these newsgroup is at Managerial level. No competent Manager would ever have allowed this stupidity past the Pre-Alpha test, let alone deployed it in that format, then required that it be closed down more than once for significant time periods in order to provide different dysfunctional results. Until Autodesk employ a Manager with sufficient sense to accept Owen's offer we are going to be stuck with a system which frustrates us all and makes support through the newsgroups extremely difficult. Regards Laurie Comerford Herman Mayfarth wrote: Minimum requirements:
1) Support Newsreaders without sending us unformatted garbage
2) Support HTML users so messages are properly formatted.
3) Protect privacy of posters and screen spammers. 4) Allow attachments of *.lsp files in a discussion group which is intended to support LISP programming. |
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Posts:
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Registered:
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Re: Newsgroup needs complete overhaul
Posted:
Jan 28, 2009 10:41 PM
in response to: Laurie Comerford
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See attachment.
Posted using Netscape 7.2.
Hummmmmmm.......
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